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What Stace had to say on Friday, June 24th, 2011
I’m here! and a wee ranting…

Yes, we arrived safely in England, and all is well. Amazingly well, in fact; touch wood, but we’ve had gorgeous weather, even. Warm, mostly sunny, but with enough drizzle to make us feel at home. I’ve had fish and chips twice (aaah!) and we’ve rented a car that, although it’s not the Vectra we had before (how I loved that car), is very similar (Vauxhall isn’t making the Vectra anymore, which makes me sad inside). We’ve done some wandering around and some loitering, and hubs has been pounding the pavements and his job hunt is looking *very* promising at the moment, so please keep your fingers crossed for him!

I missed a few things while I was away, sigh. First, and most importantly: L.A. Banks has been diagnosed with adrenal cancer. It’s serious and it’s awful, awful news, and her medical bills are and will continue to be astronomical.

An auction–several auctions, actually–are being held to help raise money for her. I heard about it/got involved too late so couldn’t offer anything; fortunately many, many other people did hear in time, and there’s lots of awesome stuff available to bid on. Please, I urge you all to go have a look. Leslie is really a fantastic person and writer; one of the nicest people I’ve ever met.

Nowhere near that in importance is the fact that SACRIFICIAL MAGIC is now up for pre-order on Amazon (I don’t see it on B&N.com yet, and Book Depository has it but with the incorrect release date [though you can still pre-order it]) and Amazon UK! So if you’re planning on buying the book anyway, you could pre-order it now, and that would be frankly awesome.

I understand that while I was away there was something of a kerfuffle about this whole pre-order business and the “How you should buy my books” thing again and that whole business. I’ve already made my position on such things clear, but since people have a tendency to forget, let’s just go over it again quickly, shall we? Let me make clear too this particular comment isn’t directed at any one author, or at least not at the one this mess seemed to be directed at.

But I do have issues with authors who think it’s okay to scold people and make them feel guilty for buying her book on the Monday before it comes out rather than the actual Tuesday release date, which is such bullshit. First of all, the NYT counts book sales for the week. They tally numbers Sunday night, which means, unless no book ever sold on a Monday ever counts, that a “week” in those terms runs Monday morning-Sunday night. So a book bought on Monday? Fucking counts, so shut up. Second, shut up anyway, because your arrogant assumption that your listing should matter to your readers grosses me out. You want to grumble privately? Fine. But to make them feel guilty and bad? *gag*

Sorry, but I can’t see myself ever having the ego-driven nerve to assume I’m going to make any kind of list. Perhaps that’s because I’m barely midlist, sure, but either way. And even if I did… Seriously, dude, do you really think that if your sales are going to be big enough to give you a shot at the NYT, those ten or twenty copies people managed to buy early is going to keep you off it? Really? Especially when it’s a day early, which I remind you again, still counts?

Also, pre-orders count, and pre-orders matter. Pre-orders help determine print runs and convince bookstore buyers to place bigger orders. Pre-orders count as first-week sales. Again, even were that not the case? Pre-orders are fucking sales. They count. Every fucking sale counts. (When the previous “Buy my books this way so I can hit the NYT” thing broke out I actually had a chat with my editor about it; she confirmed that yeah, every single damn sale counts as a sale, and that–ta da!–helps our sales numbers, and those determine if we get to write more books or not.)

Getting to write more books or not is what matters to me. Would I love to hit a list one day? Of course; what writer wouldn’t? But honestly? What I care about is getting to write more books. Please, please let me get to write more books. If I could get paid a little more for them that would be great, sure. If I could get a bit of recognition beyond the circle of incredible awesome people who’ve actually read my books and are kind and wonderful enough to talk about them that would be pretty cool, too; I’d love to have a bigger audience. But really, I just want to write more books. I dream about getting to write more books. I can’t imagine being so secure in myself and my sales that I think I can totally hit a list as long as those damn readers don’t fuck it up for me, and worrying they will fuck it up by exercising their rights as a consumer to buy available products.

You know what I worry about? Whether or not they’ll like the book. Whether it’s as good as the last one. Whether they’ll understand why Chess did X in that scene or if I didn’t make it clear enough; whether they’ll see the changes being made or not and like them or not. I worry I’m not giving them a full enough experience, that this book will be a let-down, that I haven’t made it exciting enough, sexy enough, thrilling enough. I worry I’ve failed them–you. That’s what I’m crying about in the weeks before release. That’s where my focus is, what’s on my mind. Not “Will they buy it on the right date?” but “Will they love it?” I honestly, again, can’t imagine being in a position where worrying about what on what day the book was/is bought overrules my absolute terror that my readers will hate my new book, or be disappointed by it.

I just can’t explain how furious I get; not when I see the initial posts about “How you can help me hit a list,” because really, they bug me but oh well. Read it or don’t; follow it or don’t. I dislike the implication that it’s the reader’s job to care about such things or that they exist to serve the writer, yes. As I said above, I dislike the sort of arrogance implied by “My book is going to sell big numbers, y’all, so let’s get me some accolades for it.” The initial posts annoy me. But those aren’t such a big deal to me; it’s the follow-up comments about how no one is following instructions or how they’re obviously not reading the posts because if they were they wouldn’t be behaving so damn badly by buying the book when they see it/in the format they’re buying it in/whatever or how they’ve just made the author cry and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing that when I get angry. That’s what infuriates me; that’s where I start to get that sort of deep raw burning rage inside me that makes me want to start screaming and punching people. That’s where slight rudeness or even innocence of tone becomes real arrogance.

Why am I saying all of this now, when the current little internet mess is over? Well, because I’ve just posted pre-order links, that’s why. And I want to make it clear that while I would love you to pre-order the book, I really would, because I need every sale I can get and a sale is a sale, you’re under no obligation to do so. My sales numbers are not your problem; you are not required to do shit for me, my career, or my sales, frankly.

Yes, maybe it is the case–as I’m sure will be pointed out–that it’s easy for me to say all of this because I’m not in a position where I could hit a list, the implication being that because I’m not a big success I don’t have to worry about growing that success, I only have to try to hang on with my fingertips, whereas these people actually are successful and what do losers like me know about that. But I also know writers who have hit the NYT–quite a few of them, in fact–and none of them made a stink about buying the book the day before release or tell their readers they’d made them sick by buying the book a day or two early. And again, oh well. Maybe I’ll never hit a list. I don’t really care. I care about having a long career, and selling enough to make my publishers happy and make them keep offering me contracts. I care–deeply–about writing books my readers love, books that make them happy and make them want to see more books from me.

I got into this business so I could write books. I stay in this business because I still want to do that. That’s all I want to do. I want readers to like my books. That’s all I worry about.

So pre-order my book or don’t. I hope you do. I’m not worried if you don’t. I just want you to LOVE the book, and be excited by it and not feel let down, and that’s what I’d much rather focus on: you, the reader.

41 comments to “I’m here! and a wee ranting…”

  1. kindle-aholic
    · June 24th, 2011 at 9:47 am · Link

    Glad to hear the move went smoothly. Now I need to go pre-order Sacrificial Magic – not cause you want me too. :) I was going to do that anyways.

  2. Kasia
    · June 24th, 2011 at 9:49 am · Link

    Since I’m Polish and most books I buy are translations I don’t really get what the problem with sales on the first week is, but I can say that you’re right. Making readers feel bad about buying a book earlier? It’s crazy. I would said to those authors “be happy that someone buys your book at all”. It’s good that you made your statement. And don’t worry… we love your books. Can’t wait for Downside 4 and I’m not the only one. Oh and welcome in Europe.

    • Stace
      · June 24th, 2011 at 9:52 am · Link

      Dzieki! Oh, I love you polskich czytelników, chlopaki s? tak wielkie! Naprawde mam nadzieje dostae sie do wizyty w pewnym momencie.

      (I did that on Google Translate; is it readable? :) WordPress removed the “unfamiliar characters,” sigh.)

      • Kasia
        · June 24th, 2011 at 10:00 am · Link

        Not really. Google translations are awful because Polish grammar is very complicated. What about that visit?

      • Stace
        · June 24th, 2011 at 10:02 am · Link

        Lol. I said I love you Polish readers, you’re all so awesome, and I’d love to make it over there for a visit one of these days! :)

  3. Marie
    · June 24th, 2011 at 9:51 am · Link

    Welcome to Europe! ;D Wonderful to hear that your trip went great, and to see you online again!

    And thank you for your rant about pre-orders etc. I know every reader does appreciate to hear they’re not just a money source to the writer. I sort of like to think that we’re in it together, even if one person is the provider of the goods/services/art, and the other person is the consumer. We both want the same thing, really.

    Btw, @Nachtangel and I, who’ve bonded on Twitter over our shared love of Richelle Mead and Stacia Kane ;-), met on Sunday, in Stockholm. Another thing books can accomplish; giving you the opportunity to meet people you’d never otherwise have met. :-)

    • Stace
      · June 26th, 2011 at 6:01 am · Link

      Oh, I’m so glad you guys met up, did you have fun?

      I should introduce you to another girl I know, an American in Sweden. I’m not sure where exactly she is; she’s rather shy but a really, really cool girl.

      • Marie
        · June 30th, 2011 at 11:50 am · Link

        (Working again this week, so I’m slow in replying ;))

        Yes, we had a great time! If only the weather could’ve been a little better… I tried showing her a little of the Old Town, the Palace etc., but it was raining too much, and eventually we gave up and sat down at the station, talking about books (which was fun too!).

        Both of us had been to the Sci-Fi bookstore (the only “chain” bookstore in Sweden that specializes in fantasy/paranormal books), and we’d both searched for your books. LOL From what I could see, they had all of the Downside books at the moment (US editions) and one of the demon books.

        Your friend seems great. :-) I’d love to hear from her. I know I’ve noticed you talking to a non-Swede in Sweden on Twitter. Don’t know if that’s her? (Oh right, I remember you mentioning that you’d sent me a package when you were talking about sending one to her.)

  4. Nell Dixon
    · June 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am · Link

    Welcome to the UK. Will you be anywhere near me in the midlands?

    • Stace
      · June 24th, 2011 at 10:08 am · Link

      We’re in Herts at the moment, not sure where we’ll end up but somewhere in this general area, I think, so not too far from the midlands! :)

      • Nell Dixon
        · June 24th, 2011 at 2:27 pm · Link

        If you get anywhere near Birmingham, Wolverhampton or the Black Country give me a shout – we could meet up!

  5. Miss Bliss
    · June 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am · Link

    So glad you and yours made it to England safe and sound and the weather is being kind. I’ve friends in Scotland who have been bemoaning the slow advance of summer there this year. I appreciate your rant. I love that your focus is on writing more of the best books you can write. I understand that it is a business and a writer must be concerned with running their business. But the fan/consumer just generally never responds well to being browbeaten. That’s just bad business. I can’t tell you how much I’m looking forward to the next Downside book. I keep going back and re-reading the parts of the first three books that I love so I can spend some time in that world with those people. Hope you all settle in quickly and happy writing!

  6. synde
    · June 24th, 2011 at 10:20 am · Link

    Sending postive mojo for the hubs and the search.. I have good feelings…miss you but glad you are where you want to be! Hugs… :smile:

  7. Brenda Hyde
    · June 24th, 2011 at 10:24 am · Link

    You are the Queen of Rants…seriously though, when I see/hear authors trying to make readers feel bad if they don’t buy at a certain time it gives me a bad feeling in my gut. No matter their reason, it’s just bad form, and makes them look petty. Sigh.

    Have fun in England and take some pics for us!

  8. Crystal
    · June 24th, 2011 at 12:39 pm · Link

    Glad you arrived safe in England.

    I read your rant and I’m thinking: “Wait, wait, whoa – there are actually authors out there who scold their readers just because said readers like their book so much that they pre-order them to ensure that they get a copy?” *cough* I’m with Kasia up there – these people should be grateful to have readers at all, especially with a shitty attitude like that. I’m still struggling to get even so much as a short story published – I’ll happily take the readers off their hands!! I don’t care when or how they buy my stuff (well, as long as it’s legal and I get paid for doing the work), I just want readers!! I’m just shaking my head….

    PS: Sorry to hear about your friend. I know someone whose father is struggling with cancer and it really is just awful. I hope the auction is able to help raise a lot of money for her!

  9. BernardL
    · June 24th, 2011 at 1:30 pm · Link

    Glad your okay in England. I hope the job hunt is short. Thanks for the heads-up on SM. I’ve ordered it and I can’t wait to get it. :)

  10. cher
    · June 24th, 2011 at 2:20 pm · Link

    I don’t think you have to worry about readers loving your work or understanding Chess. As one of your readers, I can honestly say, we get it and love it but make no mistake that if I can get my greedy hands on an early copy of Sacrificial Magic, I’ll take it. Good thoughts for your hubby and adjusting to your new home.

    • Stace
      · June 26th, 2011 at 6:05 am · Link

      Hahahaha! Well, I hope you enjoy SM as much as the others; I’m (of course) pretty nervous about it. 😐

  11. Spaz P
    · June 24th, 2011 at 3:36 pm · Link

    “So a book bought on Monday? Fucking counts, so shut up. Second, shut up anyway, because your arrogant assumption that your listing should matter to your readers grosses me out. You want to grumble privately? Fine. But to make them feel guilty and bad? *gag*”

    I love your books, and I love the way you express your opinions, like above. THANK YOU for giving us Chess & Terrible, & Bump and letting us get excited and happy over your books any way we can (pre-purchase, ebook, paperback, etc) ! :)

    • Stace
      · June 26th, 2011 at 6:15 am · Link

      The thing is, it’s possible that my viewpoint in this is skewed because like I said, I’m not a huge seller; I’m not a big success. So every little bit of success I’ve actually had has been specifically because readers got so excited about the books and spread the word as much as they could. My books are on “Highest Ranked” lists on Amazon because my actual readers got excited about them and reviewed them well enough to put me there. I was nominated for two Goodreads awards because my readers got excited about the books and rated and reviewed them well enough for me to be nominated.

      So for me, especially…that enthusiasm is pretty much the only thing that’s given me any kind of recognition. Without it I’d truly be a failure. Which means I can’t imagine actually berating a reader for that enthusiasm; I’d be nothing and nowhere without it.

  12. Sara M
    · June 24th, 2011 at 4:56 pm · Link

    I understand that buying a book the Monday before still counts as you stated… But I’ve seen books out as earlier as two Fridays before the release (so 12 days early) and I was wondering if those were an issue. I understand that for most books, bookstores can put the books on the shelf whenever they receive them. When I find these really early ones I get a very giddy feeling that I could purchase the book before most readers, but I also feel guilty, like I’m doing something wrong. Not because the author has told me when to purchase or not purchase the book, but more because I feel like I’m getting an unfair advantage. So yeah, I was just wondering how you feel about books that make it out to the shelf really early.

    • Stace
      · June 25th, 2011 at 5:32 am · Link

      Hi Sara,

      Those *are* an issue when it comes to lists; they don’t count (for a list), no. And I admit I get irked when I see books out that early–not because of any list or anything, but because it’s just not supposed to happen. And some books are supposed to get co-op/tower placement/etc. and it usually seems that isn’t given early, so it feels sometimes like it can “kill” a release, if you know what I mean?

      But again, my personal feeling is that A) I’m never going to hit a list, so whatever; and B) If I were an author who *might* hit a list, I really don’t think the few copies people can find at random stores and buy early is going to have such a huge effect on the numbers that it’ll keep someone from hitting. I really don’t.

      In a perfect world this wouldn’t happen. I’m not encouraging people to run out and buy books early because it doesn’t matter; I believe release dates should be upheld because release dates are supposed to be, well, release dates. Release dates excite me–not so much for my books (I’m usually puking and crying on mine out of sheer terror) but for other books, and for DVDs etc. I love going to the store on the release date of a book or movie I’m excited to buy. There’s something special about it, you know? And I hate when that’s spoiled.

      But that’s a problem with the bookstore. It’s not a readers’ problem. I admit that if I were dying to buy a particular book or DVD and saw it on the shelves early I might buy it (I also might not–probably won’t–because of my awareness of what a release date can mean for some, but again that’s me).

      But you? If you see it early and want to buy it…well, do. If you don’t, someone else will, you know (hopefully, at least, lol)? If it bothers you (you, personally) tell the store manager the book is shelved way early. It is an unfair advantage, sure, but life isn’t always fair, is it?

      My only request–if I could make one–in that situation is just please don’t spoil the book for others, and I don’t think that’s an unfair/weird/unreasonable request, and I’m making it as a reader as well as a writer. You got the book early, go ahead and brag and taunt your pals online etc., but just please don’t write a big blog post where you give away important plot points or whatever else, if you know what I mean. Just like if you manage to see a sneak peek of a movie, you know? If you want to blog a review, do so by all means, though.

      I’m sure you don’t need me to tell you not to spoil the story, of course, this is just my general thinking on the subject: buy the book early, sure, unless you decide to tell the store manager and s/he decides to do something about it, and feel free to say you bought it, but don’t post spoilers. I think most writers would agree with me on that one, really, but then I think most readers would as well.

      Ha, did I ramble on long enough there?

      • John (johnnie_cakes)
        · June 25th, 2011 at 11:12 am · Link

        I love this post! It should be important that people are buying the books, not how/where/when they’re buying them. Especially (like you said) to the outside world. I know that writers have to worry about the business side of writer, but their fans shouldn’t have to.

        A lot of times books come in from the publishers, and unless they have a “DON’T SELL BEFORE XX DATE” sticker on them, we put them out.

        We don’t report sales until the book comes out though, so anything we sell before the actual release date just counts as a preorder for first week sales. (But I know that’s not the case everywhere)

      • Sara M
        · June 25th, 2011 at 11:13 am · Link

        I totally agree about spoilers! I try to keep all of my reviews spoiler-free, even if the book has been out for ages. I even consider really tiny things spoilers when most people do not. This bothers my girlfriend a tiny bit when she reads a book before me because spoilers aren’t nearly as big of a deal to her, so there are times we’re talking books and I’ll cover my ears and start yelling “LALALA!” And the few times I’ve picked up a book that early in the past (if I read it right away), I treated it as if I got a review copy for my blog in regards to spoilers.

        As for the bookstore, had I had this information a couple months earlier, I would talk to the management about how early these books were put on the shelf. But it was the Borders down the street that closed down. If I see it happen in any of the other bookstores around here, I’ll definitely let them know. Thanks for the info! :)

  13. Stacey May
    · June 25th, 2011 at 4:26 am · Link

    All I can say is I love your books, I think we all have a group of books/series in our lives which we love and it changes sometime inside of us when we read it. I have about 4 in my life that I love and hold special in my heart and yours is one of them because you captured characters that reflect somethings (fuck ALOT of things) in my past and helped me look at it from a different perspective (and the whole urban fantasy ghost like world totally rocks as well). I know this probably has nothing to do with pre-ordering books and about your rant, but I hope it makes you realise that I think there are alot of readers out there who want you to keep writing books too!
    P.S and yes im going to pre-order your book as soon as you can in Australia!

    • Stace
      · June 25th, 2011 at 5:36 am · Link

      Thanks, Stacey! That means a lot to me, it really does.

  14. Stephanie D
    · June 25th, 2011 at 6:42 am · Link

    Very Glad you made it safely and are settling in! Thanks so much for the pre-order heads. I just ordered and now all I have to do is sit back and wait!!!!!

  15. Brandi
    · June 26th, 2011 at 8:26 pm · Link

    I am a HUGE fan of yours Stacia! Huge! I found them when all three had already been released, and I think they might be my most re-read books ever. I didn’t even re-read my Fever books as much and I adore those too (I was further heartbroken when I saw you were going to be at the con and I wasn’t able to go!). The only thing that bums me out is the length of time between books 3 and 4, and that’s only because I’m very greedy and I miss Terrible something, well, terrible. 😉 I’m glad to hear that you are settled and I hope your husband lands the job he wants most! I also hope that you get to keep writing for a long, long time. Thank you for being you. :smile:

    • Stace
      · July 5th, 2011 at 7:21 am · Link

      Thank *you* for being *you*!! 😀

  16. Tamlyn
    · June 27th, 2011 at 6:12 am · Link

    Glad you made it safe across, hope everything settles into place nicely. Ranting is good for you 😉

  17. Tina R
    · June 27th, 2011 at 2:38 pm · Link

    I just want to say how happy I am to see you back and putting your POV out there. I had thought over the last few months that you had seemed a bit battle weary and pulled yourself back in (this could be all in my head!) I really missed hearing your take on the publishing world and letting your readers and fans know there is someone out there that cares so passionately.

    Congrats on the move! When B&N puts SM on pre-order list, I’ll be there.

    • Tina R
      · June 27th, 2011 at 2:40 pm · Link

      Oh yes, I purchased Dead on the Delta per your recommendation and loved it! Thanks!

    • Stace
      · July 5th, 2011 at 7:31 am · Link

      No, it’s not in your head. I did pull myself in, and I’m still in, to be honest. It’s just not worth it to me, to be attacked for trying to offer aspiring writers some friendly, well-intended advice that they’re free to take or leave. It sucks, because I enjoyed blogging on those topics, but I’m tired of feeling like I constantly have to defend myself.

      The only reason it came up in this post is because I posted the pre-order links, and given that there was a recent controversy I thought I should address it.

      Thanks, though. Maybe one day I’ll feel differently.

      So glad you liked DOTD!! Stacey’s such a good writer!

  18. Carrie
    · June 27th, 2011 at 8:33 pm · Link

    I will be pre-ordering the next book, which is something I normally don’t do, but I don’t want to take the chance that my dinky little mall book store doesn’t have it in. Which has happened with other books and it drives me nuts because then I have to order it on Amazon and wait since the only other book store in my area is B&N and I don’t like them…

    I honestly think if an author I read started bitching about how the readers were fucking up their chance to get on some list, I’d be sorely tempted never to read them again no matter how much I like the books. I buy books when I have the money to do so. If he/she wants me to buy it on a specific date, then can give me money and I’d be happy to. Otherwise, they can stfu. : D

    • Carrie
      · June 28th, 2011 at 7:28 am · Link

      And I was so sorry to hear about L.A. Banks. If I had any money to give, I would. Cancer is a horrible thing. Her and her family are in my prayers.

      A friend of mine’s girlfriend just had a double mastectomy last week after being diagnosed with breast cancer at 27.

      • Stace
        · July 5th, 2011 at 7:34 am · Link

        Oh, dear. I hope she’s okay, and that her recovery is an easy one.

      • Carrie
        · July 5th, 2011 at 8:56 pm · Link

        She’s doing well, thankfully. (:

  19. Edyta
    · June 29th, 2011 at 2:20 pm · Link

    Man, I just pre-ordered Sacrificial Magic for my Kindle. I was so excited and then I saw the freaking delivery date. It’s my bad I know for not checking but holy shit MARCH !!!! 2012!!!! Boooo.
    Haha just kidding, but I really did think it would be at least 2011. *sigh* oh well. At least I know what I’ll doing at midnight March 27 😀 Please tell me the wait for the next book will not be as long.

    • Carrie
      · July 6th, 2011 at 6:23 am · Link

      8 months and 21 days isn’t that bad lol

  20. Jeff Rivera
    · June 30th, 2011 at 12:16 am · Link

    Sounds like you deserve to rant about it LOL 😛 and I dislike spoilers too!

  21. Michele Lee
    · June 30th, 2011 at 2:25 pm · Link

    As a former bookseller the ire at readers who buy early and stores that put books out early really pisses me off. At Borders sometimes we’d get one PALLET a week, sometimes we’d get EIGHT. Yes, books came with a release date but there were “soft” dates meaning that was the release date, but it wasn’t a big deal if we put it out early as long as it got out. “Hard” release dates were very rare (Harry Potter, for example). So mostly despite release dates we had the freedom to get books stocked on the schedule that suited our business. For us that was mornings. We had to “check in” the books, tag them, organize them, THEN get them shelved.

    All the authors I’ve seen complain about it are soft releases (or were three months ago).

    Furthermore the push to buy books from indie stories is insulting to people like me who hand sold that particular author and people like my boss at Borders who put 5 years in at indie stores because they closed and the job she found in the field she loved happened to be running a Borders.

    Also the indie stores here do not carry romance and have about ONE shelf of SF/F. They carry NO books by my friends and have ignored or even sabotaged my attempts to set up signings, so why the hell should I drive 15 minute to get to one of them, only to hear they don’t have the book, get sneered at and if I order it through them have to drive back there in 10 days to pick it up?

    Screw that. If stores don’t meet the needs of the customers (like Borders did often) there should be no pressure on people to support them just because they’re indie. Customers–readers–are not just pocketbooks to spew out money to writers or business owners. Anyone who treats me like that will be regulated to my “only buy used/borrow” list.

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